An email from Scott [edited in bold by friendly request]:
“I just read your blog [referring to this entry] & I’m a little disappointed that
you have actually fallen for the […]. It sucks ’cause you are
just an innocent Dj.[…]
It’s also probably not the best idea for you to be
posting […]
[a theory about the fire]
p.s.- talking about fragging HErmann’s lawyer into a
parking lot and shooting him? VERY poor judgement on
your part.”
My response:
Holy, Scott. You must have some pretty convincing evidence to back this up. I mean, how would I know? I was just there. I’d also very much like to know where you get your info concerning insurance fraud. Please do share.
Sorry, brother, but unless you have a shred of evidence I’m going to continue believing the facts as I saw them. All I’ve heard from you is more tired old rumour that people should know better than to believe.
As for my blog post: it’s my forum, my opinion, and to the best of my knowledge I haven’t said anything libelous, slanderous, or the least bit untrue. However, never let it be said I have a closed mind. By all means post your comments on my blog (I’ll do that for you), or the newspaper, and we’ll shed some light on this subject. Believe me, I’d love nothing more than to have this whole mess blinded by the light of day. If it turns out I’ve been mislead you can bet I’ll lead the vanguard demanding full disclosure.
I’ve been wrong before, Scott. It could be I’m wrong about this. You’ll note I haven’t pointed any fingers except at a lawyer about whose competency I have grave doubts. I haven’t accused anyone of anything. All I said was that it sucks that my club was hit by arsonists and that because of legal bullshit and the actions of the building owner that room may now be opened by someone else.
We do know, however, that your understanding of the financial situation of the club owner and your knowledge of insurance law are both flawed.
Where would you like to go from here?
– djmischiff
p.s. You’re right about one thing- it was poor judgement to say that I think Herman’s lawyer should be shot. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, really. I would nevertheless like to see his case handed over to someone who’s skill I had more faith in. Fair enough?
Addendum: I’ve been back in to edit Scott’s letter. He asked me with all courtesy to remove it (I didn’t ask permission before publishing), but this thing has gotten silly like club culture always does and so many references have been made both here and at CV that in the interest of helping everyone keep their stories straight I’ve chosen to preserve certain parts of his orginal email. Soon enough it will scroll off the page both here and at CV and we’ll all forget about it, so I hope it’s alright with him to let time do its thing. Scott: let me know.
I just have a juevenile comment to make, only for the sheer reason that I feel like being an ass.
SCOTT: PWNED.
*shrug* had to be said :)
I love that you are so incredibly intelligent honey. You don’t sink to his level, but you sure put him in his place :P Just one more thing to jot down on my “Things I adore about DJ” list.
COMMENT:
I liked the part about, think what you want to but don’t say it. Is it some sort of conspiracy? Or are you being censored?
That’s like coming into someone’s house (they left the door open… they want to welcome people), listening to their conversations, then (instead of joining in!) pulling the host aside and telling them they shouldn’t say things like that or suffer the consequences.
I also like that he says you’re innocent and you don’t know the whole story, then he says you’re telling lies and bullshit.
that’s because when people have no f*ing clue what they are talking about, then tend to get a little confused.
Sometimes they even make stuff up. So they can be special. It’s like bringing your invisible friend to Show and Tell.
Hey Scott. Thanks for admitting you don’t know the facts of the situation. That’s a step.
Most importantly you need to realize these are all my opinions and are presented as such, in precisely the same way that opinions appear in the forum at Clubvibes and in my editorial last year to the paper. At least I have the fortitude to declare that at the outset.
Anything I present as fact is fact- taken directly from the source and incontrovertible as such.
Slander is verbal assault of character, like what you’d see on TV or hear on radio. Libel is what you’re refering to, which is character defamation in print. Neither has been commited here, because everything here not factual is presented as my opinion.
You contradict yourself- you would have me refrain from telling people not to go there and yet you declare that I don’t have the draw to pack a club. Enough with the loose cannon, Scotty. Tell it like it is.
I don’t have the draw to pack a club. But my music does. Ten years as a very successful commercial dj in every major club in town ought to tell you that much.
My public statement then (to the “thousands of people” exposed to my “slanted point of view”, for the record: everything you read here that is not a corroborated fact is my opinion.
It’s a blog, d00d. Not a national newspaper.
Dj “Mischiff”
First of all – I have no information regarding insurance fraud – my example is just trying to show you that there are many rumours or explanations going around which may or may not be true. But the internet is not the place to be spreading them to the public who know even less about the matter.
Secondly, in regards to you question, I wouldn’t like to go anywhere from here – the problem is that you are posting information that is unproven and untrue about people who deserve the same sort of respect all other do. Telling people not to go there? Telling people to boycott a new club which has done NOTHING to you? I don’t think that is fair since you, just as I have absolutely NO idea what may or may not have happened. I find it to be extremely poor judgement on your part and show a complete lack in character. If you feel one way then don’t push it on the general public – Just as I wouldn’t post theories on what may have happened on my website. By posting these slanderous items which involve other peoples names you not only tarnish your public character, but also the character of any nightclub you may happen to find work at. As I displayed in my previous email there are plaenty of theories which as you pointed out many of have us have heard. Your posting was brought to my attention through the Clubvibes site – which means your “theories” have now been portrayed to thousands of people who shouldn’t have to hear your slanted point of view which drags innocent people’s names into this whole mess.
I’m not looking for a back and forth email battle here – all I’m trying to point out to you is that other people may come across your website and you should not be posting the kind of stuff related to other people as you have done.
Peace.
p.s.-go back to spinning commercially to smack them down??!! HA HA HA. That’s funny – like you’ve got such a draw to pack a club.
but I vote that it should be one. A national newspaper, that is. Maybe we’ll let you write for it, Scott. The kids section would be a great place for you start out…you know – imagination and all.
hmmmm… looks like this Scotty boy is casting thinly veiled threats!
“people who invest in clubs are not people you shouild be talking lies and bullshit about”
What kind of people are those? Thugs and hooligans? Shady types who need a place to “clean” their other shady income sources? Alien monsters?!?!! EIIIEEEE!!
Damn, that sounds like a lot of fun. Where can I get myself a club?
HAHA. Too cool DJ. I hope it’s not causing big headaches (though I doubt it is). It’s fun reading :)
/me bows deeply and humbly to Jonathan. And includes a smirk for toki.
Ahh… the club life.
Some things *never* change. Reading the thread at Clubvibes.com made my soul hurt. Every guy on there is “hotstudd69” and he’s dating “sexiechick69″… frightening.
This is what I’m saying. I’ve worked for two clubs that each had several characters running on CV so that they could plug positive reviews and such. How can you take something like that seriously? Note: for the sake of keeping the peace I’m STILL not pointing fingers. Just asking people to think.
Ok, here I am trying to be open. First off many people here are going to back mischiff right off the bat based on his character, and because this is his forum. I appreciate what Scott had to say. He is right, there ARE a lot of rumours regarding this subject and ironically enough most of them were started on Clubvibes.
Right after the fire there was some really heavy shit thrown down on Clubvibes. Like mischiff said there were people hiding behind pseudonyms and throwing it down to make themselves feel like they were in the loop. Purely asses. So, I would like to venture, that Scott ‘is’ in the loop with the ‘new’ club as he seems to be defending it openly. Scott in my opinion is trying to be open. He is telling the story from his side and although I detect a hint of frustration he hasn’t full out told anyone off and has admitedly not wanted an ’email battle’. Fair ’nuff, I respect that.
So where are we. Scott has his stories that have been told to him, and he believes them as the truth. We have our versions, and believe those as the truth. Personally I think Scott is wrong on some points but I do know how they get to be that way. Stories get bent, one persons speculation or opinion(like mischiff’s) gets repeated to someone else who doesn’t know any better and it gets repeated as the truth.
Really what Scott was trying to say had some merit, unfortunately in my opinion I feel his side of the tale is the one that is warped. I also found it interesting that he said it was bad to say these things on the internet yet he jumped right in and said his own stories on the internet. (granted first post was an e-mail)
Do I think Scott is a bad person, hell no. Does he think you are? I don’t think so. He wanted his opinion known that he thought yours was wrong and you shouldn’t share it. Fine.
I respect mischiff for sharing his opinion, and I take it as that. I also think that having worked the club every night it was open gives him the right to do so.
I just wish to share a few of MY observations regarding Scott’s points.
-Insurance companies are multi BILLION dollar corps. They do their own investigation seperate from the police seperate from the fire marshall. That is three investigations. They hire and pay top notch investigators. They would NOT pay a claim if they suspected fraud. You can’t just ‘tell’ the company you made this much and they automatically pay you. YOu have to prove it. Clearly you have never dealt with ICBC for example.
-NO one is stupid enough to make two fire claims.(especially in the same building)
-The building is owned by a seperate person, and a seperate claim. The re-building of the structure was the responsibility of the landlord, not the tenant. HE would have contracted out the construction of 11stones, not the tenant.
-I am in no position to know the financial details of the ‘previous owner’, but you apparently are. Could you tell us how much money he was piling up in debts in the first week and what it was for? How did he fake the clubs income? So you are telling me it wasn’t making any money. Ok. Let us roll with that.
Since it was busy and selling drinks for 5bucks and it wasn’t making any money how can a club that was dead and selling its drinks for 75 cents buy it out?
Just curious because I admit to knowing nothing but rumours.
Cheers.
like mischiff and gurton, as someone who invested time in 11 stones, i would like to see some serious explanation. i think we deserve it, especially after all this time. some people were doing some very wrong things. personally, i don’t really care who the explanation is from. i just want it.
Ok.
first of all I was not saying that my first example of the frauds is what happened actually happened, I was trying to point out that there are plenty of other rumours or explanations for what happened. You have all possibly misunderstood this and I should have been more clear – but I also wasn’t ready for 10 other peoples interpretations of my email I sent to Mischiff. What I can say is that I hope the truth does come out so everybody can stop arguing this ridiculous mess that obviously bothered us all. BUT,,,, my main point is that these speculations really don’t have a place on this website. Also I resent the fact that Mischiff has told people and friends to boycott the new club that will be moving in. Being as he is someone who works in the industry, this is weak and will surely reflect poorly on any club he may now work at in the future. Let your friends go there if they want to (For the record, I have NOTHING to do with the new club). The other comment that had really bothered me was the comments about Hermann and his lawyer. Nobody should be “dragged into the ally and shot” (Thank you for realising this Mischiff, as throwing violent comments like that around is just not right ). Also the comment about “smacking them down” or the suggestion that they have the same trucks because they want to be like him??!! Come on, I don’t think so! Those environmentally damaging trucks are everywhere! End of story.
I feel and put forward the suggestion that the comments regarding the other club and its owners/lawyers (current and previous) should be withdrawn from the site as you have admitted they could be completely false. (june 5th and 18th)
What I do know is that this whole thing obviously bothered all of us – so let’s end this converstaion – It seems we’ve all said what we needed to say. So leave it at that and consider withdrawing the negative comments about either clubs *(June 18th “more 11stones trivia”, and June 5th “wrong”) as this seems to be the correct thing to do after all this.
Peace.
Scott, full respect to you for making the effort. Thanks for that. You really are welcome here anytime.
But. This is my blog. It’s an online journal. A public forum where I express my views and welcome debate. I haven’t libeled anyone in those posts. I haven’t pointed any fingers. I’ve expressed my opinion and I will always excercise my right to do that.
If you explore a little deeper into the archives you’ll find I spent a hell of a lot of hours ranting directly and very pointedly against Bush’s regime and American foreign policy in general.
Should I withdraw those comments because they may offend?
I agree with you that my words may have influence. It’s not really all that important to me if they do, beyond the hope that they will encourage some people to think, even if it’s to disagree with me. That’s all I’m doing here. Thinking out loud.
I do have my theories about the arson attacks on 11Stones. I could scream bloody vengeance against those who I suspect may be involved. But I don’t. Because this is, as you point out, a public venue. I don’t have the right to publicly accuse anyone where those accusations could cause damage. So I don’t. I express my opinions, and I try to do that in such a way that people with private lives may continue to live them in peace and privacy.
Will I continue to ask my friends not to go? Yeah. I will. I don’t like the fact that Herman and/or his lawyer are moving forward making a contract without resolution of the old one. My understanding of the situation, admittedly quite sparse on this point, is that the space is still legally 11Stones.
I’m sorry if that means the Sugar owners lose business, but maybe they should have gone into this with a little Due Diligence. Then again, maybe they don’t care. How would I know? I’m hardly psychic.
All I know is my opinion, and that remains: the situation sucks and I refuse to have any part of it until I know there has been resolution. I ask my friends to pursue that end with me, in the hopes that maybe that will have some impact in speeding that resolution.
How could that be a bad thing? I want the truth to come out and I seriously, badly want that arsonist punished. Whoever he, she, or they are. I don’t think it should be at all acceptable in a relatively peaceful, quaint town like Victoria for arsonists to torch any place for any reason.
And you want me to shut up? Fat chance. It’s my party and I can cry if I want to. You would too if it happened to you. Peace.
and I STILL fully support the national newspaper. A liberal one. Just an idea. maybe we could start out humble. Maybe something like a weblog. A website dedicated to OPINIONS!
OMG! It’s amazing! It’s Unbelievable! It’s Fucking Outstanding!
Imagine it! But where on earth could we FIND such a thing?
*toki goes off with thoughts in her head and stars in her eyes*